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Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: Nasty Boy on November 21, 2009, 05:47:00 pm
Hi Everyone, I'm trying to decide which planer mast to purchase to run some big boards next spring but they are all quite similar....  What does everyone think?
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: darkfisher on November 21, 2009, 06:12:00 pm
Hey John,

I know you are trying to get the boat set up perfectly the way you like it.  So every decision is super important.  But if you want my opinion I don't think it's so much about the brand of planner mast. so much as the height that you choose.  The boards don't come in the boat very often so as long as you have a good strong base it shouldn't matter.  set em out in the morning bring em in when your done.  If you need I have some big boards you can use.  I made them last year and they work great.

What height should the mast be on an 18 foot lund? and who has the strongest base?
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: Nasty Boy on November 21, 2009, 07:34:00 pm

Hey John,

I know you are trying to get the boat set up perfectly the way you like it.  So every decision is super important.  But if you want my opinion I don't think it's so much about the brand of planner mast. so much as the height that you choose.  The boards don't come in the boat very often so as long as you have a good strong base it shouldn't matter.  set em out in the morning bring em in when your done.  If you need I have some big boards you can use.  I made them last year and they work great.

What height should the mast be on an 18 foot lund? and who has the strongest base?

Good point.  My last mast was not high enough but it could have been the boards as well.  I got better distance with the in-line boards.  I need to go at least 6 feet and give it a try.  I want to run 4 reef runners in the spring (when conditions permit) and it gets to be a mess with the in-lines.  Was planning to mount it on a 6 inch track so I can interchange with the bow mounted fishfinder.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 22, 2009, 01:56:00 am
In Wisconsin they run 18 foot masts to get the baits far from the boat.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: Tim Bromund on November 22, 2009, 06:34:00 pm
Cisco,

all aluminum, no plastic at all

http://www.ciscofishingsystemsltd.com/694/9564.html (http://www.ciscofishingsystemsltd.com/694/9564.html)

Tim

Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 23, 2009, 06:13:00 pm
who makes an 18foot mast?? I've never seen one.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: karl on November 23, 2009, 10:11:00 pm
i took my mast off my 22ft lund  forget about the big boards inlines are way more manageable in smaller boats.as far as masts, go big jon .
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 24, 2009, 07:34:00 pm
I think they are custom made but the boys in Sheboygan sure love them. they have them strapped down with guide wires. Here is a picture of your competitors boat, notice the planer board mast in the front.

http://www.u-charters.com/boat6.jpg (http://www.u-charters.com/boat6.jpg)
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 24, 2009, 10:05:00 pm
Slide Divers aren't competitors silly......they are compadres in the trade.

In any case.....the pic you sent doesn't even show the top of those masts.....they look a little unwieldy to me...soooo tall.
Just how far can you run boards off them anyway.???
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 24, 2009, 10:09:00 pm
ooops had some moose milk at the shack before I answered..and noticed there is a mast on the front of that boat,...readin glasses er..uh uh...no excuse...it's the moose milk.

nice setup...just never seen a mast that tall for handlin the planer boards.


Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 24, 2009, 10:17:00 pm
just an observation here....but does anyone expect anything other than Big Jon masts to win this poll.
I sold hundreds of them..when not much else was available back in the 80's...so if most people on the water already have them and never tried anything else ...how can they have an opinion on the merits of other equipment???
Everybody is voting for what they know already works for them.
To be fair..when anybody is voting  an opinion of what is better they should have to qualify their answer by noting if they have any knowledge whatever about the equipment they aren't voting for...(for the record..I don't currently make planer masts)..just an observation ...and I think all those masts work great.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: TOTW on November 24, 2009, 10:28:00 pm
Dont get mad Randy..The guy is just trying to make a decision.  Planer masts are not that common of an item for Salmon trollers these days, and he just got a new boat, cut him some slack. In the last few years Riviera tried to cut into  the planer mast market, did a pretty good job I may say.

I agree on your observation as well.  I vote for Big Jon.  15 years on my dual electric mast.  Original motors, 3rd boat.  And I dont vote on Pullers Polls

ANd back in the 80's  I believe the Cannon Planer Reel and Planer reel Elete were just as available as the BigJon systems.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 24, 2009, 11:36:00 pm
The only port I saw those 18 footers was in Sheboygan, WI. On the west side of Michigan the water is gin clear, even clearer then Georgian Bay. When the fish are high they use those tall masts and set boards that are 6 to 8 feet long out 1000' to the sides, crazy but they do it. The same person that owns that boat in the link rumour has it they are responsible for the demise of weight droppers. Rumour also has it that appearently 3 boats in that same port one year dropped over 2000 lbs of lead into the lake, the DNR stepped in and put a stop to it. In Wisconsin if you are caught with a lead dropper on your boat then you are automatically fined.

One trick they do in Wisconsin to get the planer boards to run out more to the side of the boat is on the leading edge of the planer board they increase the profile of the edge with a strip of aluminum.
It does work.

In mid to northern Michigan and mid Wisconsin, planer boards are used constantly while the rest of Michigan uses inline boards. It is interesting that most of the consistent tournament winners in Lake Michigan are from that mid to northern Michigan section of the lake.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: TOTW on November 24, 2009, 11:45:00 pm
Not crazy..but innovative for sure.  Anybody who fished Lake Erie tries to stretch the boards out as far as they can.  I would have had a hoot with those babies on Erie.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 26, 2009, 12:18:00 pm
Hey...like to have a video camera running and talk about 10 guys start out in the dark running those 1000 ft of planer cord in Owen Sound....lol hell I guess even one would be enough.
imagine as the sun starts to come up...it would look like a gill net 257 boats all tangled on the same line....50 cents says he's never get his board back.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 26, 2009, 12:26:00 pm
Actually CF...not sure.about how many Cannon planer board mast units were sold in the 1980's??? I was the largest volume retailer of Cannon riggers in the world late 80's(cancelled my final order of 1000 mini mags on one P.O.)...and don't recall selling that many of their masts...but remember selling lots and lots of Big Jon masts.
pretty hard for me to say anything bad about any of them because they were obviously all great value at the time...or I wouldn't have been selling them ...lol
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: FINtastic on November 26, 2009, 07:04:00 pm
I have been fishing with a well used Walker mast on John's boat in recent years with no problems at all, and would have to say we run boards alot for kings all season. Lots of use. Sure wish we could see them come back on the market Randy. They are hard to beat and if you can get your hands on one- snap it up.

Used the Big Jon Mast for a number of years. Only had one problem where it popped the compression sleeve that holds the pully on the top of the mast. Funny thing was it was flat on the lake and trolling slow for walleyes, must have been an odd ball lemon part.

I have also used the old Willie mast with the (springs on the pullies) and they work well enough.

My vote was "Other", Other meaning a used Walker mast, but if you need to buy new, Big Jon.

Shane
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 26, 2009, 08:09:00 pm

Hey...like to have a video camera running and talk about 10 guys start out in the dark running those 1000 ft of planer cord in Owen Sound....lol hell I guess even one would be enough.
imagine as the sun starts to come up...it would look like a gill net 257 boats all tangled on the same line....50 cents says he's never get his board back.


Now that's funny!!!
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: grandpajim on November 27, 2009, 09:48:00 am
I run a standard length Big John dual planer mast which is mounted to my hardtop with a six inch square stainless backing plate. Not a single issue in over 20 years with the mast. However, when running a moderate trough (speed control) the lateral movement of the mast is such that my large dual boards surge erratically and can even porpoise on occasion. When conditions warrant, I deploy the boards, then tie the planer line off to the side cleats to maintain control of the boards.
I can only imagine the ridiculous amount of surging that would be experienced with an 18 foot mast in any kind of side chop or swells. Running boards the equivalent distance of the length of three football fields out EACH side of the boat is totally ludicrous regardless of the location and water clarity present.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 27, 2009, 10:13:00 am
It may sound  crazy but on the west side of Michigan most days are calm as the prevailing winds are from the west so there is some logic to it. I am sure they have been cut off a few times but even more concerning would be a boat under power crossing perpendicular to the board and boat and a person getting cloths lined.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: steve on November 27, 2009, 10:18:00 am
what is/are weight droppers?
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 27, 2009, 12:07:00 pm
Weight droppers are used to drop 1 or 2 lb balls after a fish hits.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: darkfisher on November 27, 2009, 03:14:00 pm
Can somebody say Lightning rod.   Holy crap I really have a hard time seeing a need for an 18 foot mast
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: storminnorman on November 27, 2009, 06:56:00 pm
Sober thought yet again !  grandpajim the old fox .   8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 28, 2009, 01:06:00 pm
I agree with Grandpajim...plain and simple I don't need or want 1000 feet of planer cord using amost 1/5 of a  mile of water surface .
For one thing even if it was workable I don't see how it can be as effective...Did you ever play crack the whip with a rope and see what happens to the kid on the end?? what kind of surface speed do think a board would be doing on an outside turn if you made a 180 degree turn in say half a minute??anybody wanna do the math??? what do you think would happen to the lure you are running if it is speeded up to 30 knots...lol???
That's just one issue...want some more??
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: grandpajim on November 28, 2009, 08:57:00 pm
Can you begin to imagine the size of reel required to hold say a full core of lead or 600 feet of copper PLUS the 1000 feet of backing material just to reach from the rod to the board never mind the additional 300 or so yards you might want as reel backing??
Can you imagine the time required to patiently send a release 1000 feet to the desired set position??
Can you imagine the severity of the inevitable carpal tunnel syndrome from winding fanatically to get the slack out of 1000 feet of line??
I think we're being had here. Likely better posted on April 1st.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 28, 2009, 11:38:00 pm

Can you begin to imagine the size of reel required to hold say a full core of lead or 600 feet of copper PLUS the 1000 feet of backing material just to reach from the rod to the board never mind the additional 300 or so yards you might want as reel backing??
Can you imagine the time required to patiently send a release 1000 feet to the desired set position??
Can you imagine the severity of the inevitable carpal tunnel syndrome from winding fanatically to get the slack out of 1000 feet of line??
I think we're being had here. Likely better posted on April 1st.

Your light switch is turned off.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 29, 2009, 11:21:00 am
???? sorry ..light switch??
Had our xmas party last nite and thinkin a little slow this morning...musta missed sumthin???

Gotta go warm up the shack for tomorrows deer hunt..check back in tomorrow.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 29, 2009, 11:58:00 am

I think we're being had here. Likely better posted on April 1st.

When someone cannot understand the possible then their light switch is off
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: grandpajim on November 29, 2009, 05:28:00 pm
Vans,
           The corollary statement might be that if someone totally ignores the "sensible" application with whatever may be "possible", perhaps their elevator is somewhere well south of the penthouse.  Apologies to the original poster for wandering away from the topic he raised.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 29, 2009, 06:19:00 pm
Hmmm,

Lets say you have 8 people in your boat ( 6 customers plus Captain and first mate ) which means you can fire out 24 lines and the fish are on the beach out to 30 feet of water in gin clear water. You are doing straight line trolling. How do you plan on effectively getting those 24 baits in front of the fish's snout without spooking them.
Now remember the Captain that started this is quite inventive, in fact they invented the slide diver which is a very effective fishing tool. I doubt that his elevator is somewhere south of the penthouse.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: hotreels on November 29, 2009, 07:22:00 pm
BTW: 8 anglers = 16 rods not 24 rods in Lake Ontario.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: fishdawg on November 29, 2009, 07:53:00 pm
hey Vans
the majority of folks here fish Lake Ont. & we're limited to 2 rods each... id say that most of the boats here of the rec guys only run 6 rods most of the time and probably the bigger charters will max out at 10-12 rods occassionally

thats ok though, our kings are a little bigger   ;)
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 29, 2009, 07:53:00 pm
Agreed but on Lake Michigan, where the Captain in question operates out of, you are allowed 3 rods per person. Also on the west side of Lake M the water is generally very cold, most of this year the water temps close to shore rarely reached 50 degrees. The Alewife were in the harbour most of the year and the kings spend a lot of their time just off the beach.
The solution to these conditions has been to run your lines 30 feet apart, using balloons on the releases for visual affirmation when a strike occurs, on the beach side of the boat and do straight runs. 24 rods @ 30 feet apart = 720'  plus, at that water depth you would want to have the first rod at least 100' from the boat giving you a total distance of 820'. Add a few more people on the boat and 1000' from the boat is reasonable. As for reels, I have seen reels like Daiwa Tanacom Bull 1000Fe Electric Reel used on Michigan that hold 5000' of .015" line.
It's a stealth concept that is necessary in these water conditions.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: steve on November 30, 2009, 01:39:00 pm
an electric reel used?

sounds like fun.

Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 30, 2009, 01:47:00 pm
Hard to believe anyone can command 1000 feet of shoreline , without major conflicts!!!
What kind of headaches are incurred  if you meet someone head on doing the same thing?
......I have a lot of trouble with the stealth excuse being applicable out at 150 feet and beyond from the boat.
Most (west coast origin) salmonides have a natural aversion to boat shadows since they emulate seal lions , orcas and the like, so naturally the fish want to get to the side away from the dangerous end ....but to take off for 1000 feet for no reason...not buying it...
Don't get me wrong here.. if you can fish this way, and not bother anybody...and keep handling to a reasonable fashion...I'm fascinated.......but 24 rods off one board....way beyond my capabilities to avoid tangles....
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: vanselena on November 30, 2009, 03:28:00 pm
Well I don't fish this way but certain Captains do in Sheboygan WI.

If you want more info here is the website.  http://www.u-charters.com/ (http://www.u-charters.com/)   I'm sure they can fill in the blanks for you.

Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: yoda on November 30, 2009, 10:16:00 pm
like I said.. not something I could even contemplate as we are crowded for space here...it can't be done .
Places like owen sound have maybe 200 boats sharing a pothole...you couldn't have 4 boats in there with those tactics....but as I said I'm envious of the open water available to those guys ..and the great fishing that goes with it.
Title: Buying a Planer Mast
Post by: Trophy J on December 07, 2010, 03:41:00 pm
Well I was the only one that voted for Great Lakes Planers. I chose these guys because I wanted to optimize space / functionality on my boat. I was looking for side mount masts.
I liked their idea of having the tree + reels + mast + adjustable light + net holder option.