General => Tournaments => Topic started by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 12:15:41 am
Title: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 12:15:41 am
I am pleased and excited to announce the first ever Am division to our Spring and Fall events.
We have had extensive discussions about this in the past and hopefully this could include some teams that have been on the fence for yrs and create some sort or Farm system to our tournament series.
This Tournament will be on Each Saturday of the Spring and Fall Tournaments.
Saturday April 27, 2013 Saturday Aug 31, 2013
Blow day will be the sunday
1 day Salmon Tournament 3 largest fish 3 Anglers max 24ft boat or less 6 rods max per boat 6am start 2pm in the pierheads 2:30 in line at weigh in Can register up until the captains meeting or online when we launch new website **All am teams will weigh in first and at 3pm the pros will then weigh in All other rules are the same as the King of The Lake Tournament
This is a great way to participate in our events
$150 entry
Based on 30 teams 1- 2000 2- 1000 3- 500 4- 350 5- 150
Dreamweaver Big Fish Friday is still $50 and you will be able to participate in all of our weekend events including raffles, weigh in show ect...
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: fisher on January 04, 2013, 07:50:18 am
This all sounds great and we are fence sitters that eventually want to get into the tourney scene on a regular basis. Need the experience and the opportunity, which it now appears the door is open.
That said I do not understand the limit on boat size. What does this have to do with an amateur setup?
Lots of us have bigger boats than your < than 24 foot length and would like to participate.
Hope you can adjust this criteria so that those fisherman that have bigger boats are not exempt.
Mike
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: OUTTALINEagain on January 04, 2013, 09:02:57 am
Fisher!!! Can I ask. What is the reasons you and your Friends/team members are "on the fence" about fishing in a KOTL tournent???
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: steve on January 04, 2013, 09:31:32 am
Blow day will be the sunday (nice)
1 day Salmon Tournament (nice) 3 largest fish (awesome) 3 Anglers max (makes sense) 24ft boat or less (with a limit on rods - not sure its necessary) 6 rods max per boat (great!) 6am start 2pm in the pierheads 2:30 in line at weigh in Can register up until the captains meeting or online when we launch new website (when is the captains meeting generally held?) **All am teams will weigh in first and at 3pm the pros will then weigh in All other rules are the same as the King of The Lake Tournament
This is a great way to participate in our events (you are correct!)
$150 entry (very fair)
WAY TO GO IVAN!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: fishdawg on January 04, 2013, 10:06:16 am
sounds great Yvan, thanks for putting this together sounds like a good formatt... especially the late registration option with good promotion and and if its a decent weather day it should fill up I understand its not capped at 30 max boats?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 10:55:03 am
When discussing this, one thing was evident. In the past there has been many one day tournaments of this style and although it has they have been great for some they dont survive for some reason or another. A lot of comments that I have heard is the advatages for some guys over others. Charter guys fishing the amateur, bigger boats are not on same playing field, bigger boats normally have autopilot (not to say small boats don't) ect.. I just thought it would make the weather decision more fair and would really level off the playing field. It also stops charter and guys that fish pro tourneys from sandbagging with their big rigs.
Hope this makes sense
Hawg - No there isn't any cut offs to number of teams. We hope to get 50 wouldn't that be great - 70 pros and 50 ams. Marina would love us lol!! Seriously though the more the marrier. I've wanted to do this for a while and I think its time to try it. Support it and this can be a great avenue for guys to start or somewhere with less pressure.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 11:01:22 am
forgot steve! hey captains meeting is the friday night at 6pm
This is mandatory for captains. We go over rules and procedures. Important specially the first few tournments as we have rules that differ other tournaments for sure.
I want to say that I am open to hear some discussions about some rules relating to this, the boat size rule is somewhat negotiable but not to say we will change it but after listening to arguments about and they make sense why not adjust. But keep in mind to satisfy 1 person and piss off 15 doesn't work for business.
Hope this works and we still have a lot of time but you will see how fast april comes.
Yvan
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 11:18:16 am
So far 24 ft is the only criteria. We don't have captain licenses here. but here is my theory.
If a charter guy sandbags an am tournament in a 3 fish tournament to save his team 400 bucks in entry he is not too much of a charter guy. I also know some guys that do it as a write off and don't even fish often enough to matter and this is why a 3 fish limit is cool with this as anyone can catch 3 kings to compete.
This is really to get people that have never joined us hopefully bridge the gap and get them involved.
With all the tournaments going high ticket to enter and the pro ams faltering a little this could very well be a good avenue to set up a farm system to breed new teams.
How many teams will catch 10 kings in their day and think.... I wish I would have fish the pro division!!
Scoring
Instead of changing the world all in one yr we have decided to keep scoring the same way. you can throw out 1 of the one days but you don't get an extra 10 points for fishing all. We found last yr was a huge advantage to throw one score out without giving them an extra 10.
We are bringing back some draw prizes as in the past, we have been asked to do that by a lot of people and we are not going to have a beer tent but will have BBQ available with pop and water in a tent as we used to have.
Hope this works
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: chadk on January 04, 2013, 02:05:34 pm
As fun as blast offs are, consider staggering the departure times to keep the big boats from swamping the smaller AM vessels. You will also reduce AM teams from just following the big boats to fish.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: fisher on January 04, 2013, 04:38:06 pm
So far 24 ft is the only criteria. We don't have captain licenses here. but here is my theory.
If a charter guy sandbags an am tournament in a 3 fish tournament to save his team 400 bucks in entry he is not too much of a charter guy. I also know some guys that do it as a write off and don't even fish often enough to matter and this is why a 3 fish limit is cool with this as anyone can catch 3 kings to compete.
This is really to get people that have never joined us hopefully bridge the gap and get them involved.
With all the tournaments going high ticket to enter and the pro ams faltering a little this could very well be a good avenue to set up a farm system to breed new teams.
How many teams will catch 10 kings in their day and think.... I wish I would have fish the pro division!!
Scoring
Instead of changing the world all in one yr we have decided to keep scoring the same way. you can throw out 1 of the one days but you don't get an extra 10 points for fishing all. We found last yr was a huge advantage to throw one score out without giving them an extra 10.
We are bringing back some draw prizes as in the past, we have been asked to do that by a lot of people and we are not going to have a beer tent but will have BBQ available with pop and water in a tent as we used to have.
Hope this works
Thanks for the response, but I am not clear on your answer. There are some charters around that run on 24' or less boats. All of the other criteria in the tourney looks good...3 people, 6 lines etc.... As far as charters sandbagging, I would think that most of you guys in the biz, already knows who the charters/regulars are. The only advantage I see a big boat has is in real nasty weather, otherwise I am not sure what boat size has to do with competing to fish....you have already established max team members/rods etc.... I have other buds with 26' boats that would probably want to give it a go as well.
Outtalineagain To answer your question, its for most of the reasons that Yvan has already mentioned in past threads. Entry fee cost, lack of experience, (only my second year on the lake, although a fisherman for 40 years), but primarily as a bigger boat owner it comes down to budget. I have a 31 Tiara FB, with twin 454's, and as most of you guys know, these boats operating costs run anywhere from 60 to 80$ an hour to play on the lake. Combine that with the costs to get to the tourney marina, + fees, + observer etc, etc....Its tough to justify. I have done the math to enter a regular KOTL event, and the money spent to compete would be equal to about 5 or 6 days "regular" fishing time. At this stage I would rather have those 5 or 6 days on the lake just fishing for sport, than playing in one event. Mine and my fishing partners lack of experience is another reason....we are still building confidence in our spreads and strategy...we all know how much there is to learn in this sport, lol. All of us are very competitive, but would feel better dropping only 500 or 600.00 to compete and getting our asses kicked than to drop 2K to play ;)
So this new format is very appealing.
I really hope that you will consider lifting the maximum boat length size as it is the only criteria you have in the amateur event that doesnt make sense. I also think this max boat length criteria will limit some other guys like myself, from participating, and thus reducing your field.
Hope to see the boat length revised so we can get our feet wet....
Mike
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Witching Hour on January 04, 2013, 05:35:05 pm
It's a good thing Santa didn't get me that 345 Conquest over the holidays! ;D ;D http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Page.aspx/pageId/29330/pmid/308690/345-Conquest.aspx Good work.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 05:36:36 pm
fisher i will consider for sure.
I will follow up with your story of a 31 tiara. And you are 100% about cost to play BUT if you run the boat with 3 people at to fish the amateur bring 2 guys in the big boat and fish 5 people and with this you can win bigger money instead of 2000. I can also tell you that you will probably spend more than you can win fishing out of a big boat.
I thought of putting a lot criterias into an amateur division but this will only bring more headaches. Make No mistake that this division is to enhance our pro division. This is the only advantage to doing this.
The other point is this, and it goes with ChadK
Blast off will be either 2 different locations ei: ams on west side of pier and pros on west side or Pros go at 530am and ams at 600am half hour stagger. This will be determined in next few months. Either way I will not mix both fields because of boat sizes.
This also throws a wrench into 26-36 foot boats mixed in with 16ft tinnys.
Hope you understand my point as well
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 05:37:47 pm
coastal Lol
You would have to fish the overall to show it off!!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 04, 2013, 05:39:53 pm
who knows maybe this is start to an am division overall prize too.
Getting ahead of myself!!
Lets start with this yr first.
Yvan
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: HooknRelease on January 04, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
J i just got in from work, opened your link then shouted the wife im done :) i think i just found my dream girl lol
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: riggermortis on January 04, 2013, 09:35:20 pm
Good job Yvan I like the layout but one question what is the launching/docking situation going to be? Do you plan on having someone at the SCGF dock early for boat inspections and a launch from there or does everyone need to be in a slip at the marina in the morning and if so whats the cost?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: exttrimmer on January 04, 2013, 10:20:09 pm
Hey Yvan What a great idea!. I wish this was available when we first started doing your tournies. I think your cost structure and prizes will bring a bunch of new competitors.
We are going into our 5th season of fishing the individual tournies. We started just doing the local one (whitby) and have expanded our season to include all three, plus the two tightlines for this year. Just have to work on the guys to enter the overall.
I would like to commend you and thank you for bringing forward new ideas and trying to get more people involved in this great fishery we have on Lake Ontario.
Thanks
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 05, 2013, 01:40:27 am
Pleas increase boat size. No major advantage that I can see. Rain doesn't stop a fisherman.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 05, 2013, 01:41:13 am
Docking?
I know this is something I have to look at and this involves manpower. I will come back with details as we get closer. This is new and have to get a lot of things finalized. Idealistically the ramp and docking to be available for participants but truly a night mare for us. We will try to accommodate the best we can. I would love to have all am teams on one finger at the marine say e dock. Great opportunity to meet people and mingle on Friday and get all your stuff ready. Personally I would like to see it slipped for the night. Normal costs are $1 per foot per night. Minimal for the experience and no hassle in the morning.
I will get back to you on finalization of this later
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: jimw on January 05, 2013, 02:16:27 am
Amateur Division awesome idea!!!
I don't think I am even at the level to be considered an amateur yet. lol
Best of luck with this new format.
JimW
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: drjoe on January 05, 2013, 07:12:22 am
Get it Wet stick to the 24 ft. limit ! One of the reasons I have not fished these torneys ; they tend to be big boat events [I have seen it happen guys will do well on one day but not be able to keep up to the bigger boats when the lake changes ] Love or hate ex P.M. Jean Cretian , one of his best was " ...if you try to please everyone you please no one ! " Been boating [salmon fishing on lake O. longer than most 1984 and every year after ] : If you are looking for numbers clearly a lot more 16 to 24 fters going to be out there . The $$ numbers to run these big boats is never going to be less . I have seen "high rollers =big boats enter just for the experience and social interaction and not get many fish .
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 05, 2013, 01:21:01 pm
Get it Wet stick to the 24 ft. limit ! One of the reasons I have not fished these torneys ; they tend to be big boat events [I have seen it happen guys will do well on one day but not be able to keep up to the bigger boats when the lake changes ] Love or hate ex P.M. Jean Cretian , one of his best was " ...if you try to please everyone you please no one ! " Been boating [salmon fishing on lake O. longer than most 1984 and every year after ] : If you are looking for numbers clearly a lot more 16 to 24 fters going to be out there . The $$ numbers to run these big boats is never going to be less . I have seen "high rollers =big boats enter just for the experience and social interaction and not get many fish .
So I have a 26 ft boat and my boat is too big???
By the same argument, why not have a 20 ft length limit? I'm sure there are many more 14 - 20ft boats than above 20ft. Or better yet why not a 16 ft limit as a 24ft would have an advantage over a 16ft boat again by the same argument. Anyhow my point is what defines a big boat? I would not consider my boat big by any regard.
I am sure anyone with a 24ft boat and smaller will agree to not change in order to cut the competition. But this is supposed to be a competition right?
The way I look at it is there are MANY with boats bigger than 24ft, so you are cutting off much of the clientele. If you really think it is an advantage to have a bigger boat even with a rod limit then have two boat size classes, even though I personally think this is lack of competition.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: baitfish on January 05, 2013, 02:37:11 pm
Are these dates out of Port Dalhouse? Never fished further west then Port Credit and would love the challenge of fishing new water with something on line. (no pun intended).
Baitfish
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: riggermortis on January 05, 2013, 03:28:51 pm
Get it Wet stick to the 24 ft. limit ! One of the reasons I have not fished these torneys ; they tend to be big boat events [I have seen it happen guys will do well on one day but not be able to keep up to the bigger boats when the lake changes ] Love or hate ex P.M. Jean Cretian , one of his best was " ...if you try to please everyone you please no one ! " Been boating [salmon fishing on lake O. longer than most 1984 and every year after ] : If you are looking for numbers clearly a lot more 16 to 24 fters going to be out there . The $$ numbers to run these big boats is never going to be less . I have seen "high rollers =big boats enter just for the experience and social interaction and not get many fish .
So I have a 26 ft boat and my boat is too big???
By the same argument, why not have a 20 ft length limit? I'm sure there are many more 14 - 20ft boats than above 20ft. Or better yet why not a 16 ft limit as a 24ft would have an advantage over a 16ft boat again by the same argument. Anyhow my point is what defines a big boat? I would not consider my boat big by any regard.
I am sure anyone with a 24ft boat and smaller will agree to not change in order to cut the competition. But this is supposed to be a competition right?
The way I look at it is there are MANY with boats bigger than 24ft, so you are cutting off much of the clientele. If you really think it is an advantage to have a bigger boat even with a rod limit then have two boat size classes, even though I personally think this is lack of competition.
Maybe you should start a poll :D :D :D
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: fishdawg on January 05, 2013, 04:32:10 pm
LMFAO!
in all sincerity though, under the proposed format, and in ideal (safe) conditions I would be very comfortable competing against 30 ft boats in my 16 ft/30hp rig
lets give Yvan a break for a bit on this to figure out the little logistical details and get winter behind us
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: HooknRelease on January 05, 2013, 05:19:13 pm
/\ /\ /\ what he said pmsl :)
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: drjoe on January 05, 2013, 08:01:24 pm
Fishdawg "in all sincerity though " I will consitently outfish the "30 fters " in my 16 ft. 70 hp. & 8hp kicker al. tinny on a flat lake or a good breeze [west is best ,north the fish come with open mouths , south can get spooky real quick on the south shore as I have previosly posted on the south shore and as everyone should know east is least !] .The problem is when the wind picks up the kicker won't hold in the wind , with all the freeboard in a tinny you become at the mercy of the wind ; by the time the "30 fts " have the problem we are at the boat ramp or bailing [no fun! ]
Remember guys this is the www not a pool room ! Derogetory deminuatives such as pmsl or LMFAO tarnish the image of the site .
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: dwc67 on January 05, 2013, 08:29:14 pm
Derogetory deminuatives or not, rm that was freakin funny.
15kmh or less from any direction but east and i am fishing this in my kayak
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: EpicSportfishing on January 05, 2013, 08:42:02 pm
Fishdawg "in all sincerity though " I will consitently outfish the "30 fters " in my 16 ft. 70 hp. & 8hp kicker al. tinny on a flat lake or a good breeze [west is best ,north the fish come with open mouths , south can get spooky real quick on the south shore as I have previosly posted on the south shore and as everyone should know east is least !] .The problem is when the wind picks up the kicker won't hold in the wind , with all the freeboard in a tinny you become at the mercy of the wind ; by the time the "30 fts " have the problem we are at the boat ramp or bailing [no fun! ]
Remember guys this is the www not a pool room ! Derogetory deminuatives such as pmsl or LMFAO tarnish the image of the site .
Everyone can "Outfish" the 30ftrs until they try and do it during a tournament
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 05, 2013, 11:33:11 pm
So I guess no poll is needed rm. Most seem to be saying they have no problem competing against 30 foot boats. ;) ;).
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: barts on January 06, 2013, 10:43:59 am
Hey Ivan, This is my first year fishing these tournies. I have a 20 ft starcraft Islander. I'm fishing the main event not amature, but I figure in for a penny in for a pound. I know everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it. But you are sailing the ship and in the end it's your choice so you do what you think is right. If people don't like it they can put on there own events any time they feel like it. keep up the good job.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: feenom1 on January 06, 2013, 02:32:37 pm
The idea is great. anything to get more people out there the better. What's the reasoning with calling it amatuer. I think it's mis-leading. Also why limit the size of the boat. It's six rods in the water. The one day event will attract a lot of entries. Good job.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 06, 2013, 03:19:48 pm
feenom... Well its funny you ask why i named it amateur. I gues there was not much reasoning behind it. In the past I have seen the 444 go with the small boat division and a Pwt pro came in and won it. Not really what it was intended to do. If you put amateur to it at least it should be embarrassing for a charter guy that is full time to fish in it or a person that is known around the lake to be on the water 5 days a week to enter the amateur division.
The other thing is if this thing does grow to where its huge it can become a good platform. But make no mistake that this has been tried and from the results on entries its never been big for the amount of chat that happens. Last yr was 24 teams i believe with Gavins and Rob and it was very well Operated.
I am toying with the idea of capping it at 30 teams. I think we will go with that this year to see if we could weigh in all 30 in a 30 to 40 min timeframe.
Boat size has been a great topic so far and really not what I expected it to be. From Pms and emails i get there are alot of voices telling me to keep the 24 ft range and others with valing points saying 26 because thats the point where boats get wider and a lot different handling.
Either way we decide to go the weather will be based on a 18-19 tinny for safety sake. It doesn't have to be flat but will not get into a situation for safety reasons and really this is where the big boats will complain.
My question to the guys with bigger boats wanting to fish the amateur is, With all the costs involved in running the boat over from where you are, why not spend an extra 100 per guy and you have 2 days to compete and more chances to win your money back. I would think fuel and docking costs will be more than what you win at best of times.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: riggermortis on January 06, 2013, 04:20:05 pm
Call it whatever you like am or small boat I bet 80% of the entries will be guys that fish all the time and have for yrs. much like the one Gav and Rob put on last yr. otherwise there would be next to no one there. If you don't want expierienced guys to sign up that have small boats who else is there?
I love the idea and the rules you've layed out but should we be embaressed to show up in our tin cans and try win if we fish a lot?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: OUTTALINEagain on January 06, 2013, 05:36:00 pm
All I want to add to this is this... For all the guys that consider themselves "fence sitters" There is nothing to be nervous about. Anyone can do well!!! All you need to do is try it. It's a amazing time!! Dock your boat at the marina, you will meet a ton of awesome people/competitors. You will make friendships with some of the best on the lake,, And if you present yourself right and ask the right questions. These guys will help you!! So get a few buddies together and enter!!! You will love it. PRICELESS in my opinion.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 06, 2013, 07:58:40 pm
Get it wet, you finished with a question.
Are you talking about moving into the two day PRO event?
I wouldn't think paying another $100 per peron for the two day would be a problem if it was an amateur event. Sorry, I haven't had time to read up on everything and may be asking a stupid question. But the main attraction is an amateur event to have a chance to be in the completion. It's always more fun when you have a fighting chance. So assuming the two day is an amateur event the extra change is really a non issue considering the rest of the costs.
And yes I agree a big boat could be defined bigger than 26' just going on beam where the real jump is generally from 8.5 to 10' up from that length.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: redneckjoe on January 06, 2013, 10:02:49 pm
this will be my second year fishing the big O and Ive been lookin for a way to get my feet wet and compete Im in for sure !!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: JustinB777 on January 07, 2013, 07:44:56 am
Good job yvan this will be my third year fishing your tournies and I commend you for Putting in a lot of effort to I'm prove the tournies I can't wait to see how this am division turns out
See ya in the spring JB
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: barts on January 07, 2013, 06:15:42 pm
Yvan maybe a stupid question, but me and my group will gamble on just about anything so could we sign up for both divisions? Weigh our top 3 ( if we gettem) in the am div and the rest of the box including the 3 already weighed in the other? if you don't have 30 boats its not a bad opion?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: barts on January 07, 2013, 06:16:29 pm
Oh and we are for sure amateurs, but why not?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 08, 2013, 12:26:25 am
This is a great question and I thought about it and no this would turn into a Calcutta
With the calcuttas we have on sat and sun there should be plenty to go around. Plus we have riggers and some other good things to raffle off as well
I'm thinking of running a 20 or? elimination draw on sat after way in If we got enough teams to do it it would take 20 min but what a blast
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: steve on January 08, 2013, 01:48:33 pm
barts, you would be restricted to a six rod spread.
wouldn't that put you in a disadvantage in the big boat tournie?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: barts on January 08, 2013, 03:12:03 pm
Steve I'm only running 6 rods regardless. I think I have heard you say "Less is more" lol we only have a 3 man team so that is all we can run on our side anyhow. barts
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: steve on January 09, 2013, 06:33:51 pm
hey man, i agree fully. 100%
but most "big boats" feel their advantage is in number of rods ... which of course isn't true ... but its refreshing to hear none the less.
soon my friend, soon.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: barts on January 10, 2013, 09:55:10 am
Ya steve I can't wait. I can run 8 rods off my boat but just find it's too much. Even 6 in less than ideal circumstances can be a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 16, 2013, 03:32:33 pm
get it wet,
Just curious why you scheduled the first event on the same day as steelhead opening on the rivers? A few of us are swingers! LOL!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: FishAbout on January 16, 2013, 10:36:39 pm
KOTL has been on that weekend for years.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: buster on January 17, 2013, 12:20:35 am
any one heard about a boat length yet
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: rbi on January 17, 2013, 08:55:11 am
I steelhead November to the End of March. April is boat time ;D
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 17, 2013, 05:08:22 pm
After some Time to think about this and trying to reason with this group We have come up with a solution to the questions
We are going to open up the division to whatever size boat BUT will have the weather based on an 18ft boat being safe on windy days.
This raise the questions on eligibility?
****who is an amateur****
This will be laid out in our rules section of our website when our new website is up and running. Please read as these questions will be asked before you go and fish.
The Main Criteria will be - Not getting paid to fish or guide (no charter boat), Not sponsored (not allowed to have sponsored clothing during weigh-in and show), Not having placed top 5 in any major tournaments around the lake, Once you win 2 events you must move up to the main event.
We are pretty confident in getting 30 teams and this should be a fun event for all to participate.
Title: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Hammer on January 17, 2013, 05:15:15 pm
Good job Yvan!
Title: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Hammer on January 17, 2013, 05:18:49 pm
Looking forward to coming back to your tournaments and fishing the overall sounds like some great changes won't be long now
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: riggermortis on January 17, 2013, 05:35:52 pm
Do you consider Rob and Gavins Spring Showdown last year a major tournament or are you talking the well know big $$$ tournaments when you talk about placing in the top 5?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: outkast on January 17, 2013, 05:44:49 pm
Thanks Yvan. This is going to be great. I'm entering this one for sure.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 17, 2013, 05:46:55 pm
Rule change on boat size (with weather criteria) is fair. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur DivisionWe
Post by: get it wet on January 17, 2013, 06:44:00 pm
Major tournament meaning Tightlines, KOTL, Wilson, N.Y. Pro ams
Not Derbies or anything else.
The key to this is to increase participation in the main event. There will never be enough money in this to Sandbag a team. If we (Our Company ) deem you to be a Pro in any case we will bump you up. Please, this is to be fun and entertaining along with some great knowledge sharing.
Im glad we can provide this rule change for those that pushed for it. I look forward to seeing you guys enter.
Yvan
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: OUTTALINEagain on January 17, 2013, 07:06:25 pm
Yvan This could also possible hurt your turn out for the main event!! Meaning, possibly some of the smaller teams that have fished the normal KOTL might fish the amature event now instead of the Main event!! is there a rule that if a team has already fished in one of your KOTL events in the past couple years than they will have to enter into normal KOTL again and not the amature event???
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 17, 2013, 07:14:50 pm
no there isn't and if this is the case we just shut it down next yr.
I think this is going to work. As I said, It is a taste of what tournaments are. I also had proposed this to the 444 many yrs ago but they went the small boat way and it was a flop. It was because pros came in and won 3 of 5 yrs. I think it would be embarrassing in our game to come in as a guy that is known to fish often and is known by his peers to be a good fisherman to sandbag in order to win. I just dont see it.
Another thing is this tournament is one day 3 fish. Completely different than what the main event is. If someone fishes for $600 they get 2 one days plus the chance at the overall.
I really think this will add participants to the event as a whole. We will have more observers come aboard and we will grow teams from pleasure to amateur and from amateur to pro over time.
30 teams max. first come first serve $2000 first place. I think its fair!!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: steve on January 17, 2013, 07:31:29 pm
your so right about the 444.
it was a laughing stock to see a boat with "pro walleye angler" written on the side win the amateur division.
i don't know about everyone, but anglers still joke about that situation - i believe the "pro" lost a lot of pride on that one.
again - I'm liking all of what you have suggested Ivan!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 17, 2013, 07:38:46 pm
Steve, I agree with you. I don't think anything was won by winning the small boat division and next weekend going to the PWT
Anyways we want guys like you to fish and promote. We need as many teams as we can and the more we get that are vocal the better it is for all
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: buster on January 17, 2013, 09:01:50 pm
right on Yvon , when is new website opening to get in on this
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Post by: outkast on January 17, 2013, 09:05:41 pm
Build it and they will come. I heard that somewhere...Any ways... I think this is going to be great. I'm sure many of us following this thread would agree.With your experience Yvan, just do this as you think is fit. Im sure thirty boats wont be a problem. Your going to have a problem capping it to thirty boats the second year.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 17, 2013, 09:08:33 pm
new website will be soon magazine will be ready by the sportsman show
Outkast. Thx.
Title: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: shadrapper on January 17, 2013, 09:44:01 pm
Good on you Yvan. Some good choices. 30 should fill up quick.
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Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: lyndenlunker on January 18, 2013, 03:27:57 pm
Hey Yvan, will we be able to sign up at the sports man show.
Larry
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: GT2 on January 18, 2013, 04:58:52 pm
Ivan.......any chance asking you to donate a portion of your profit from the amateur division (on 30 teams you take in $4500 but only pay out $4000) back to the non profit volunteer groups that make the salmon fishery a success? Or some of the "draw prizes" you are re- introducing that companies donate back to the fishery...........Looking forward to the New Ivan (with a Y )
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 18, 2013, 05:20:51 pm
You know, I knew you couldn't let this go by without trying to put your negative twist on it. No different than the emails you sent to a bunch a people about me stealing someone elses tournament. Wow! your a beauty!!
Let me start by saying this to defend myself and our organization. because you obviously have not been notified as the mayor of Lake Ontario.
In the past in All seminars we donated money, even the ones i did in Montreal I brought back donations from those guys on some raffles I did. I don't know if you realize that in my repping job wheverer i can I donate to a lot of non profit opportunities including some Port Credit stuff as Wayne Andrews picked up 2 electric riggers for the symposium.
If Fact this year I have put a 2 page layout on the MEA and the hatchery in the mag that costs 1200 each page and got 300 from Pat Kirby as a donation to help out so $1900 out our pockets. Why because I think its important to let people know about what goes on as many don't know.
Do you think $500 is enough to run this series? How much should we keep GT2? If we give out 100% in the main event, How much is too much? You Ran a Tournament, Do you think these tournaments draw 10's of thousand in revenue? How much should we keep to run the event?
I want to finish this by saying this because your insinuating and bashing me has not been getting to me but its a black eye on everything we do here and makes you look like an ass. Either way not good!!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Witching Hour on January 18, 2013, 08:38:14 pm
Ivan.......any chance asking you to donate a portion of your profit from the amateur division (on 30 teams you take in $4500 but only pay out $4000) back to the non profit volunteer groups that make the salmon fishery a success? Or some of the "draw prizes" you are re- introducing that companies donate back to the fishery...........Looking forward to the New Ivan (with a Y )
That's a low blow. 5 minute misconduct.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: JustinB777 on January 18, 2013, 09:15:38 pm
Yvan I think you are doing a great job at promoting the series and the tournaments despite what some ppl think, keep up the good work can't wait for the spring
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: knotreel on January 18, 2013, 09:25:36 pm
Yvan I think you are doing a great job at promoting the series and the tournaments despite what some ppl think, keep up the good work can't wait for the spring
X2, unfortunately you can't make everyone happy.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: HooknRelease on January 18, 2013, 09:33:33 pm
the only frigin guy bitchin and crying like a little the girl is the guy that cant manage to fish a tourney and has hardly any involvement in our fishiery, frig my boy at 8 had more hours in the hatchery during mid winter picking eyed eggs than this guy has even given a thought, GT@ go play your games and insults away from this board, its lame and not what pullers is about,
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Silver Tracker on January 18, 2013, 09:43:30 pm
GT- I own a mortgage broker business and I will donate 25% of my commission on any mortgage placed with me to the fishery from Royal Lepage as long as it goes directly to putting more fish in the lake. I think it will be a lot more than $500.00.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: tyee3904 on January 19, 2013, 08:36:26 am
How do you become "mayor of lake ontario"? I would like to apply! LOL.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: barts on January 19, 2013, 12:50:55 pm
Wow there is one in every crowd. Can I mail you a cheque yet yvan?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: drjoe on January 19, 2013, 03:09:17 pm
tyee 3904 you get to be "mayor of Lake O. " by getting the most floats !
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: buster on January 19, 2013, 08:00:31 pm
where do we send our ticket money to , before u cant get in , looks like it will fill up quick
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Myles Ahead Sportfishing on January 19, 2013, 08:23:31 pm
I have 2 teams interested, let me know when and where to send $$$$
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: jimw on January 19, 2013, 09:16:52 pm
I am going to throw my hat into the game as well. Planning on coming down from Ottawa. Should be fun and if I'm lucky we might even catch a fish. lol
Ready and waiting for registration info.
Cheers.
JimW
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 19, 2013, 11:17:55 pm
you can send a cheque to King Of The Lake Promotions 323 wellington St. Port Colborne L3k2k4
If you guys want to get this in and get a head start.
$150 cnd
Include Captains name, Add, Boat size, Boat make, Team name and contact info ... numbers and email
once we get it you will get a confirmation email from Us and then the party begins .
Enjoy and hope you guys enjoy this as much as its intended on providing.
Comfort Inn is our host hotel, 905 687 8890 ask for GET It WET fishing rate.
Yvan
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: buster on January 20, 2013, 12:17:07 am
do we worry about docking yet
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: knotreel on January 20, 2013, 09:23:37 am
Postal code?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 20, 2013, 10:30:30 am
Docking in the spring is not an issue There is lots We have the whole marina
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 20, 2013, 04:36:55 pm
Ivan.......any chance asking you to donate a portion of your profit from the amateur division (on 30 teams you take in $4500 but only pay out $4000) back to the non profit volunteer groups that make the salmon fishery a success? Or some of the "draw prizes" you are re- introducing that companies donate back to the fishery...........Looking forward to the New Ivan (with a Y )
Unbelievable, asking this in an open forum. GT2 you need to think about the impact of what you are doing before you go ahead with your actions, especially in public. This is not tactful at all, like some of your previous posts. You can go on treating us like we are all morons, but the truth is about the opposite when you don't have any of your facts straight. I know of a great New Years resolution for you ...
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: GT2 on January 20, 2013, 06:54:48 pm
TyeeTanic.......arn't you the guy that weighed a salmon in Walters Derby yet did not have a Derby ticket for all onboard.......dont you start "preaching" I will not comment on Ivans tourny any more......i wish him and all those that participate a safe and successfull day.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: buster on January 20, 2013, 07:47:32 pm
thank you Yvon , my check is in the mail , hope it contains the right information for the tourney , cant wait
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 21, 2013, 12:05:18 am
Buster - Thx look forward to it GT2- no hard feelings, we all are entitled to our own opinions and the way we take action. Instead of fighting with you I invite you to participate in one of our events. Maybe you would enjoy yourself and then have different opinions of what goes on.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 21, 2013, 08:09:30 am
TyeeTanic.......arn't you the guy that weighed a salmon in Walters Derby yet did not have a Derby ticket for all onboard.......dont you start "preaching" I will not comment on Ivans tourny any more......i wish him and all those that participate a safe and successfull day.
Like I said GT2, get your story straight, you judge people too easily and the sharp words come out too fast ... I have all the right to preach to you, for being so judgemental and not knowing what truly happened. I was the guy that didn't hesitate to tell GOSD that there was a South African on board that did not have a ticket, who I thought could not participate as he wasn't even from North America, who didn't touch the rod, drive the boat or net the fish. But let me guess, in your mind it is impossible for a guy to make an honest mistake. This is what ticks me off ... you have no idea.
And my comment was not only in regards to how you have treated me in the past, but others ... those kind of posts just don't belong on Spoonpullers. So perhaps take some of your own advice. "Look forward to the new" GT2.
Anyhow, this is getting old ...
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on January 21, 2013, 07:28:47 pm
Well Good things are happening daily right now. As you may or may not know fishawk electronics purchased "Deeper Diver" this yr and with the good vibs that are happening with the amateur division, they decided to Sponsor this side of this. It Is the Deeper Diver Amateur showdown.
With this sponsorship the winner will get a free entry in the main event of the next St Catharines tournament.
Just to be clear if You Win the Deeper Diver Showdown you get First place Money and an Entry in the main event of the next St Catharines KOTL Tournament. this is a $600 value!!!
Thx to our sponsors for making this happen!!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: shadrapper on January 21, 2013, 08:00:36 pm
Just awesome Ivan, keep up the good work. Can we skip to spring now?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Witching Hour on January 21, 2013, 09:51:59 pm
Just to be clear if You Win the Deeper Diver Showdown you get First place Money and an Entry in the main event of the next St Catharines KOTL Tournament. this is a $600 value!!!
Wow! That's huge.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on January 22, 2013, 02:30:32 am
Just keeps getting better. Yvan I think you've enticed us enough! LOL! It's almost too much to bear now, we still have 3 months of the cold to go! Haha.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: baitfish on February 10, 2013, 11:04:48 am
I may have a problem. The boat I bought a couple years back has all the decals on the side saying "Northport Nailer Prostaff" but I'm just a weekend warrior. This boat was probably rigged with top of the line stuff in the 80's but 30yrs later I still use the old cannon riggers and just last yr got rid if the old lowrance. The old fish hawk 800 doesn't work anymore either. Anyways if I entered the amateur division will I be looked at as a sand bagger or not allowed to participate?
Thanks for any feedback.
Garland aka Baitfish
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Witching Hour on February 11, 2013, 08:25:35 am
I may have a problem. The boat I bought a couple years back has all the decals on the side saying "Northport Nailer Prostaff" but I'm just a weekend warrior.
Might have to hand out northport spoons at the ramp to guys no?! :o :D :D
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: jimw on March 17, 2013, 02:10:18 pm
Any updates on the Amateur Division?
website?
entry form?
are there spots still available?
JimW
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: redneckjoe on March 18, 2013, 08:06:25 pm
any one know how many boats have entered ?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: outkast on March 18, 2013, 10:08:37 pm
There were spots available at the beginning of the week. I sent my cheque in. Team Outkasts will give it a go.
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Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: jimw on March 19, 2013, 10:08:08 am
Ok thanks.
I will send my chwque out today and hope there are still spots available.
JimW Team Hoping4One
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Burns eh on March 20, 2013, 03:19:27 pm
Ivan,
Can we have the pro's weigh in first?
Mark Team Fastlane
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: steve on March 21, 2013, 07:36:49 pm
i love hearing the term "pro" when it comes to recreational fishing. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Digby on March 21, 2013, 10:38:08 pm
Hahahaha! Steve! So true! How does that work anyway if you are single? "Hey honey, I am kind of a big deal! I am a pro" bahahahaha!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: knotreel on March 22, 2013, 08:14:28 pm
Just think of all the chicks on g dock that would be all over you Will if you were a pro angler.(all those blow boater cougars looking for a rebel)
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: TyeeTanic on March 23, 2013, 01:43:32 pm
Just think of all the chicks on g dock that would be all over you Will if you were a pro angler.(all those blow boater cougars looking for a rebel)
Cougar is the word, for sure. G dock is the spot to be ... Unofficially the G Spot. Lol.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: weese3 on March 23, 2013, 07:08:39 pm
We want in too, but not sure if there are any spots left and where to send money to? My email is weese3@hotmail.com if anybody with info wants to email me.
Adam
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Leo on March 23, 2013, 08:11:21 pm
Hey, excuse me. Are you a Pro ?? How can I catch the big ones today ?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: outkast on March 23, 2013, 09:32:01 pm
All the info you need to register is in this thread.Its in the first few pages I think
Title: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Strike Zone on April 16, 2013, 10:21:09 pm
When discussing this, one thing was evident. In the past there has been many one day tournaments of this style and although it has they have been great for some they dont survive for some reason or another. A lot of comments that I have heard is the advatages for some guys over others. Charter guys fishing the amateur, bigger boats are not on same playing field, bigger boats normally have autopilot (not to say small boats don't) ect.. I just thought it would make the weather decision more fair and would really level off the playing field. It also stops charter and guys that fish pro tourneys from sandbagging with their big rigs.
Hope this makes sense
Hawg - No there isn't any cut offs to number of teams. We hope to get 50 wouldn't that be great - 70 pros and 50 ams. Marina would love us lol!! Seriously though the more the marrier. I've wanted to do this for a while and I think its time to try it. Support it and this can be a great avenue for guys to start or somewhere with less pressure.
Yvan you just posted in a separate thread that there are 17 amateur spots registered with 13 available??? Are you now capping the field for Ams at 30 boats?
Title: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: Digby on April 19, 2013, 12:20:17 am
Bahahahaha! Love it! Hey ladies! Wanna catch the big one! Come with me, I'm a pro on the G Spot! Getting shirts made as we speak!
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: boyko84 on April 19, 2013, 03:23:43 pm
Well Good things are happening daily right now. As you may or may not know fishawk electronics purchased "Deeper Diver" this yr and with the good vibs that are happening with the amateur division, they decided to Sponsor this side of this. It Is the Deeper Diver Amateur showdown.
With this sponsorship the winner will get a free entry in the main event of the next St Catharines tournament.
Just to be clear if You Win the Deeper Diver Showdown you get First place Money and an Entry in the main event of the next St Catharines KOTL Tournament. this is a $600 value!!!
Thx to our sponsors for making this happen!!
This is awesome! Ill be registering on Tuesday
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: tonyb on April 19, 2013, 05:41:01 pm
Where is the info for this year's KOTL? Website still says 2012?
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: tonyb on April 19, 2013, 05:50:45 pm
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: boyko84 on August 19, 2013, 09:58:17 am
Anyone know how many am teams have registered so far??
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: shadrapper on August 21, 2013, 08:16:03 pm
I registered last night, don't know how many boats are in yet, but I will be there. Maybe Yvan will report back.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: salmon_seeker on August 26, 2013, 11:23:56 pm
Has anyone else received the tournament itinerary ? I never got the return e-mail after registration.
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: get it wet on November 26, 2013, 11:14:20 am
Hello Gentlemen, I was pleased with the amount of interest last yr in this new division and I thought it went well. I am also excited to bring it back for 2014. The same format will be used!! The dates for these events are as follows April 26, 2014 (blow day is April 27) August 30, 2014 (blow day is 31)
Will have website updated shortly and registration will open at that time. Hope to see you there! Yvan
Title: Re: King Of The Lake Amateur Division
Post by: John Whyte on April 15, 2014, 10:39:45 am
All new posts and news should be posted in the new dedicated board above.